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Government may turn to thin-client computing to help it handle the end of Windows XP support in 2014
By Stephen | Wellington | Thursday, 20 December, 2012 | 17 Comments
The government sees thin-client computers not only as a means of economising on ICT costs, but as a way of reducing the work and cost burden of desktop renewal arising from Microsoft’s ending support for Windows XP, used by a large number of government agencies.
The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment has accordingly put out a request for proposal (RFP) for a panel of suppliers of thin-client machines. The number of members of the panel is as yet undetermined and will depend on the proposals received, says the MBIE’s RFP.
Currently at least 36 public sector agencies are using thin-client devices. Inland Revenue has rolled out 7900 thin-client machines, MBIE says, as part of its desktop upgrade contract with HP.
“With Microsoft ending support for the Windows XP operating system an estimated 149,000 governmental machines will require upgrading by 2014,” says MBIE. “This will provide a great opportunity for thin-client computers to be pushed as an optimal solution” for the future.
The thin-client contract will be managed as part of the existing all-of-government desktop and laptop (DTLT) agreements, currently in the third year of a contract that could run for up to five years. “The initial contract term will align with the current AoG DTLT agreements.”
However, if the chosen thin-client provider is not already active within the DTLT agreement, this is not an entrée to those contracts, MBIE emphasises. “For the avoidance of doubt, any successful respondent that is not a AoG DTLT Supplier will only be permitted to supply thin-client computers and not any desktop or laptop computers,” the RFP says.
Core government agencies – departments and ministries – will be required to sign a memorandum of understanding under the panel agreement and give reasons for any thin-client procurement outside those terms. Other state services, such as the NZ Defence Force, Police and Crown agencies, will be “expected” to join the arrangement and other public-sector entities such as local authorities, are “encouraged” to do so.
The contract is for the hardware only. Servers, networking, systems integration and “virtual desktop or application presentation technology for use with thin client computers” are out of scope, and are the province of the Department of Internal Affairs. “While these items are considered important to an overall thin client solution, they will not come under this thin client computer RFP, but potentially under a DIA led Desktop-as-a-Service (DaaS) offering in the future.”
Explaining the potential DaaS, the RFP says: “DIA is considering establishing a commercial arrangement with suppliers for the provision of a virtual desktop and application environment delivered as a service to agencies.
“Users will be able to access their work desktop and applications from almost any device, anywhere and agencies will have the flexibility to consume when required and reduce spend as required. Agencies will also have the flexibility to take advantage of changing technology quickly (e.g. upgrade an application within weeks) and at the same or lower TCO [total cost of ownership]. This approach enables self-service provisioning, flexibility, and pay-as-you-go billing and is complementary to the approach for cloud-based office productivity services.”
Closing date for thin-client computer proposals is January 31 next year.
Comments
Ouch
That is a huge Microsoft tax burden for the government.
Posted by Anonymous at 16:23:18 on January 15, 2013
Posted by Anonymous at 16:23:18 on January 15, 2013
Thin Client Proposal
Re. In reply to Novopay for Desktops ==========
That may well be... but, "letting the Managers manage" didn't work either.
They all wanted to do their own thing and empire build. eg. Police Incis failure, Education payroll system(Novopay) failure.....the list goes on.
Alternatively, the Gov't could simply negotiate a national contract and bulk licences to upgrade existing PC's software to win7 [more than adequate without win8] and any minimal hardware to run same eg additional memory that may be required.
Posted by daMystery1 at 2:19:17 on December 21, 2012
That may well be... but, "letting the Managers manage" didn't work either.
They all wanted to do their own thing and empire build. eg. Police Incis failure, Education payroll system(Novopay) failure.....the list goes on.
Alternatively, the Gov't could simply negotiate a national contract and bulk licences to upgrade existing PC's software to win7 [more than adequate without win8] and any minimal hardware to run same eg additional memory that may be required.
Posted by daMystery1 at 2:19:17 on December 21, 2012
What's the point
"The contract is for the hardware only. Servers, networking, systems integration and "virtual desktop or application presentation technology for use with thin client computers" are out of scope"
I.e. All the really expensive tricky stuff. Go MBIE, dumbing down ICT to a dick smith catalogue since 1990.
Posted by Biggalugs at 17:53:23 on December 20, 2012
I.e. All the really expensive tricky stuff. Go MBIE, dumbing down ICT to a dick smith catalogue since 1990.
Posted by Biggalugs at 17:53:23 on December 20, 2012
more infrastructure
from the inside - JUST more infrastructure !
some have no Virtulisation infrastructure .The scale of the backend & support adds to the mix.
As to who chooses what & how ..packaging of apps to work ove r anything is a BIG red white elephant .
All this Any one anywhere anytime on anything is a nice idea but like the Cloud standards the GOVT itself has no ability to moderate it eg: current tax dept issues re commerce in the cloud .
This is not an overnight project .
Posted by anony mouse at 15:50:39 on December 20, 2012
some have no Virtulisation infrastructure .The scale of the backend & support adds to the mix.
As to who chooses what & how ..packaging of apps to work ove r anything is a BIG red white elephant .
All this Any one anywhere anytime on anything is a nice idea but like the Cloud standards the GOVT itself has no ability to moderate it eg: current tax dept issues re commerce in the cloud .
This is not an overnight project .
Posted by anony mouse at 15:50:39 on December 20, 2012
149k machines- really?
First of all, consider that not all of these machines will be in the central public service agencies but in the wider sector i.e. Health and DHBs, Education - Primary, Secondary, Tertiary and Social Service providers.
Next, consider how many of these machines may be in active use. Just because some record exists of an XP machine somewhere doesn't mean it is active, hasn't been upgraded or disposed of elsewhere.
I'd be interested to know how this report came to the conclusion that there are actually 149k machines out there using XP?
Posted by henareho at 13:51:01 on December 20, 2012
Next, consider how many of these machines may be in active use. Just because some record exists of an XP machine somewhere doesn't mean it is active, hasn't been upgraded or disposed of elsewhere.
I'd be interested to know how this report came to the conclusion that there are actually 149k machines out there using XP?
Posted by henareho at 13:51:01 on December 20, 2012
in house software
Quite a few of our public services run in house software, I wonder how well this software will run on thin clients, or even if they were designed with thin clients in mind.
Posted by M at 12:54:26 on December 20, 2012
Posted by M at 12:54:26 on December 20, 2012
That many?
Really?
That's an awful lot of bums of seat public servants? Anyone care to provde an agency breakdown?
Posted by Anonymous at 12:09:31 on December 20, 2012
That's an awful lot of bums of seat public servants? Anyone care to provde an agency breakdown?
Posted by Anonymous at 12:09:31 on December 20, 2012
Novapay for Desktops
Look at all these people saving us all this money - better put the taxes up on petrol to pay for them! More layers with more noises in the public trough - so we employee highly skilled government people in purchasing departments who can't actually buy anything other than what the purchasing people in other government departments tell them, oh and by the way for negotiating the contract you guys need to pay me a margin for that so my department recovers its cost, oh and you IT managers and CIO's - you can't do anything either, because we know better than you how to run your department - you're going thin client, and somebody else is going to run your server systems - so you sit there on a few hundred grand a year and wait until we tell you to jump, and try not to break anything for Gods sake, otherwise we are going to have to get an inquiry going, and then maybe a royal commission, and if that doesn't through the public off the sent well have an election, I'll sit over there, and the others can sit here! Should we have a pay rise this year? Yes why not!
Posted by John Harrop at 11:30:52 on December 20, 2012
Posted by John Harrop at 11:30:52 on December 20, 2012
Novapay for Desktops
I cant believe this Novapay crap ..apparently theyre a big OZ concern but this got away from them BIGTIME in no-time at all .Someone inside said scope creep [ remind you of the Police IBM bull ] but sounds like a slippery slope to me
Posted by anony mouse at 15:55:14 on December 20, 2012
Posted by anony mouse at 15:55:14 on December 20, 2012
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