Chorus pushing costs onto RSPs: TelstraClear
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TelstraClear CEO Allan Freeth says Chorus is trying to make Retail Service Providers pay for some connection costs in the UFB build
By Sarah Putt | Auckland | Tuesday, 24 April, 2012 | 13 Comments
TelstraClear is refusing to sign a wholesale agreement to provide retail services on Chorus’s Ultra Fast Broadband network because it says Chorus is trying to push some of the connection cost onto Retail Service Providers.
“What they’re trying to do is shift a series of costs that are now sitting on them, across to the Retail Service Providers,” says TelstraClear CEO Allan Freeth.
“They’re issues to do with connection. Under the Act Chorus gets money for a connection 15 metres from the boundary and five metres internally [inside the home]... what happens when you are 15 metres in and your house is still six metres away, who is going to pay for that, because Chorus don’t want to?”
Computerworld understands the issue has arisen during a trial of fibre to the premise that Chorus is conducting in the Auckland suburb of Albany. This is an area in which Chorus has completed the UFB build and has been paid by Crown Fibre Holdings (CFH) $1,118 for each premise passed, in a mix of debt and equity securities as per its arrangement.
Under the CFH agreement, Chorus must pay the cost of a “standard installation cost”, which is defined as follows:
• 15m of buried cable from the boundary; or
• One span of overhead fibre cable from an existing pole; or
• 100m of fibre cable in an existing pipe or new pipe in a provided trench; or
• 5m of internal fibre cable from the point where the lead-in enters the premises (external termination point).
Computerworld asked Chorus who will pay the extra cost if a house – such as one located in a back section – is more than 15 metres from the curb?
“It’s too early to say,” spokesperson Robin Kelly says in an email. “We’re working with the industry to agree the best way to address issues such as non-standard installations and our free introductory offer (to all RSPs) is helping to develop this approach.”
Crown Fibre Holdings CEO Graham Mitchell says he doesn’t view this as “an issue going forward” as it affects a “low, low percentage of properties.”
In contrast to the Chorus agreement, the Local Fibre company Ultra Fast Fibre, which is rolling out network in the central North Island, must foot the bill for the connection from the curb to the house regardless of how long it is.
“We all have different contracts with the government,” says Ultra Fast Fibre CEO Maxine Elliot. “For better or for worse, the contract that we have with the government for residential is our connections are free and then we provide 10 metres within the home. Ten metres will be a lot for most houses.”
Kelly says more than a dozen RSPs have signed UFB wholesale agreements. However Computerworld understands that Vodafone has yet to sign. When approached about the agreements, a spokesperson replied: “Vodafone are involved in ongoing negotiations and unfortunately cannot comment any further at this point.”
Comments
UFB madness
The whole business case for UFB seems based on media distribution. We are wasting billions on UFB to enable multiple streams of HD p0rn - amazed no politician started doing the maths on number of police/doctors/nurses/infrastructure we could build with that money...
Posted by michael at 15:09:55 on April 27, 2012
Posted by michael at 15:09:55 on April 27, 2012
Normal practice
Same with the gas companys, same with the power complanys. (I have a 160 meter drive.)
This has always been the way service connections are charged, ask any farmer.
Posted by Anonymous at 21:52:31 on April 26, 2012
This has always been the way service connections are charged, ask any farmer.
Posted by Anonymous at 21:52:31 on April 26, 2012
Before anyone overreacts
As usual with any telco issue that is raised, there's a lot of accusations, generalisations and vitriol.
The issue needs to be viewed in the proper context - is anyone able to provide some actual data that will help us guage the size of the issue? (e.g. what percentage of overall households would likely be affected)
Posted by Settle Down at 9:12:32 on April 26, 2012
The issue needs to be viewed in the proper context - is anyone able to provide some actual data that will help us guage the size of the issue? (e.g. what percentage of overall households would likely be affected)
Posted by Settle Down at 9:12:32 on April 26, 2012
Not surprising behavior from a monopoly
The issue with the 15 meters limit has been well recognized since the moment Chorus published their terms quite few months ago. The fact that this issue has not been addressed yet ("it is early to say") suggests that Chorus doesn't feel the need to do so. They simply believe time works for them and RSPs will have to accept what Chorus offered (and cover the extra costs). Chorus will in the meantime focus on signing up a few "friendly" RSPs to show there is nothing wrong with Chorus' conditions. Not surprising behavior from a monopoly.
Posted by Anonymous at 20:57:05 on April 24, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 20:57:05 on April 24, 2012
finialize the local loop
Its pathetic if the local loop is not covered in ufb roll out. Come on regulators. Thanks freeth for pointing this out
Posted by local loop at 20:12:23 on April 24, 2012
Posted by local loop at 20:12:23 on April 24, 2012
getting out of NZ
@Anonymous: until Pacific Fibre brings competition to the Southern Cross trans-tasman cable, we are all going to have to go through the same, slow, congested international link. What makes the difference here is where intelligent ISPs develop content-enablers such as youtube caches, gaming servers, domestically-located content servers, etc, where the ISP does the hard yards of getting the most common content to NZ and storing it, thus the final leg of getting it from the ISP to the end-customer is achieved as quick as the UFB tail. Only then will customers start to sign up, because as it stands nobody is going to sign up to UFB just to get faster trademe, TVNZ or iSky content.
Posted by gingerman at 12:22:47 on April 24, 2012
Posted by gingerman at 12:22:47 on April 24, 2012
getting out of NZ
The SX cable isn't even near half if its capacity yet and us about to increase it further according to recent reports. We don't need any Pacific Fibre stooges distorting the facts to suit their own interests.
Posted by Anonymous at 20:44:16 on April 24, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 20:44:16 on April 24, 2012
getting out of NZ
Stop listening to the media reports out of SX. Yes SX could turn on a lot more capacity, however the associated cost to do so is absolutely prohibitive. It's not that providers can't get the capacity they need, it never had been. It's just the cost of that capacity is stratospheric. I have worked on business cases many times to do so, and the numbers just don't add up unless you are prepared to write off normal business practices (like cost of capital). That's why there are less than a handful of companies that buy SX capacity and most of them it is only because SX is a required component of their overall big picture business.
Posted by Network Guy at 14:17:51 on April 26, 2012
Posted by Network Guy at 14:17:51 on April 26, 2012
getting out of NZ
More Pacific Fibre misinformation. Australian pricing is highly competitive because Australia has six cables in and out of the country. SX is one of them and needs to compete hard on price and quality. Australian pricing flows through automatically into the NZ market under SX arrangements - so the "monopoly pricing" accusation on the NZ route just doesn't hold.
Posted by Anonymous at 15:17:55 on April 26, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 15:17:55 on April 26, 2012
getting out of NZ
Just beacuse they are charging the maximum they can matching Australia, this does not mean its the best that should be available to NZ.
Posted by Network Guy at 16:41:13 on April 26, 2012
Posted by Network Guy at 16:41:13 on April 26, 2012





