Computer Society loses charity status
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Will fight decision in the High Court
By Sarah Putt | Auckland | Thursday, 8 July, 2010 | 7 Comments
The New Zealand Computer Society has lost its charity status and with it the right to considerable tax exemptions for both the organisation and its donors.
But the NZCS chief executive Paul Matthews says the Society is appealing the decision made by the Charities Commission in March and has lodged an application for appeal with the High Court.
According to a decision by the Commission, NZCS’s charity status was revoked earlier this year. It followed nine months of detailed submissions and counter submissions as the Society fought to keep its charity status. However, the Commission was unmoved and delisted the Society as a charity on 18 March.
NZCS is one New Zealand’s oldest ICT organisations, and was first registered on 6 October 1960 (it plans to celebrate its 50th anniversary later this year). However under the Charities Act 2005 it was required to apply for status as a registered charity, which it achieved in January 2009.
On 29 June 2009 the Commission received a complaint about the society and three days later sent its first notice of intention to remove it from the register.
The Commission’s case
In order to become a registered charity, an organisation must prove that its primary purpose is to serve the public good. The NZCS view is that it provides educational opportunities that are beneficial to the New Zealand public. But the Commission contends that the NZCS exists for the advancement of the ICT profession.
“The Commission considers that, read as a whole; the purposes are directed towards the promotion and protection of the Society, the IT profession and the IT industry through the development of professional standards, educational standards, professional development and networking.”
Marriage of poor maids
In the detailed 12-page decision to deregister NZCS, the Commission sites a range of case and constitutional law dating as far back as the Elizabethan era. It quotes the Preamble to the Charitable Uses Act 1601 (the Statute of Elizabeth), and provides a list of purposes considered to be beneficial to the community. These include “relief of aged, impotent, and poor people” and the “marriage of poor maids”.
The most relevant New Zealand case law concerns cases between professional bodies and the Commissioner of Inland Revenue. The Medical Council achieved charitable tax status as it was considered to perform a public good - the registration of medical professionals directly benefits the community because it protects the public by upholding the quality of medical and surgical practices. On the other hand, The Institution of Professional Engineers New Zealand failed to gain charitable tax status, because although the advancement of the science of engineering is beneficial to the general public, a significant part of its function is to act as a professional organisation for the benefit of engineers.
The Society’s case
NZCS chief executive Paul Matthews says that as the NZCS’s case is before the High Court he can’t comment directly, however he did provide some preliminary views in an email to Computerworld. “In short, we exist to advance education and professionalism, which is why we successfully gained charitable status when the new Act came in.”
These activities include the Kiwiskills programme on digital literacy, 120 educational events nationwide every year, and the Society’s upcoming Degree Accreditation Programme, Matthews says.
What’s at stake
Matthews says the loss of charitable status will have a detrimental effect on its education programmes. “If the High Court does uphold the (Commission’s) decision it will potentially impact on several of our activities which are based on the fact that we’re charitable.”
“We had announced we were making a significant number of educational licenses (with a retail value of around $300,000) available for digital literacy programmes such as ICDL and e-Citizen at no cost to a range of other charities. This is now in jeopardy. We run a Standards Fund to advance the work of Standards NZ which people can donate to, with over $30,000 donated thus far and pegged to assist with establishing standards around cloud computing and other items of interest to greater New Zealand, and the ongoing operation of this is potentially in threat.”
The loss of charitable status could mean that donations to the Society won’t receive tax credits, although the organisation can apply to the IRD for donations to be tax deductible. The society will itself lose its tax exempt status.
“Whilst we generally don’t make a significant surplus, any additional tax liability will come completely off our education-based work,” Matthews says.
The legal battle
“Our lawyers Duncan Cotterill are looking after us at a substantially discounted rate, of which we are very grateful, the cost of going through this process is still significant and again is inevitably borne in the reduction of education-based activities,” says Matthews.
“The reasons given for the deregistration were detailed. We do not agree with the Commission's findings or reasoning, hence our appeal to the High Court. It will be interesting to see how the High Court Appeal goes.”
The NZCS is not the only delisted organisation to fight the Commission in court. Several organisations have also filed High Court action, including Team New Zealand and Greenpeace.
A spokesperson for the Commission told Computerworld that five appeals have already been heard in the High Court and in each case the Commission’s decision to deregister has been upheld.
Comments
NZCS - Old boys academic network
NZ Computer Socialists - even with a old fashioned hierachy structure for its member, good old fellow...
I took exception to their push for that ICTP certification with the undertone of "if you don't have it you wont be classed as an ICT professional in NZ" bunch of bloody Nazi's. Most IT pro's are overrun with bloody certification money making scams.
Tax them and tax them hard - good for CC and IRD!
Posted by Flying Kiwi at 22:33:30 on July 9, 2010
I took exception to their push for that ICTP certification with the undertone of "if you don't have it you wont be classed as an ICT professional in NZ" bunch of bloody Nazi's. Most IT pro's are overrun with bloody certification money making scams.
Tax them and tax them hard - good for CC and IRD!
Posted by Flying Kiwi at 22:33:30 on July 9, 2010
NZCS - Old boys academic network
Nice one, FK. Is this what Computerworld's online pages have descended into these days - a medium for frothing at the mouth trolls ranting rubbish for all to see?
I guess FK thinks IT should be the only profession without any form of accountability or standards. There's usually a reason people think that way, much the same as there are fly-by-nighters in every other industry who think the same. What a winner.
Although I especially like how he thinks an organisation shouldn't be charitable simply because he doesn't like them. We've a real deep thinker on our hands here!
For the record, I'm one of thousands of members of said organisation. I don't know if they should be a charity or not (but lean towards yes knowing what they get up to) but would rather have that determined by the courts than some anonymous clown in the comments section of a rapidly diminishing computing publication, thank you very much.
Posted by Andrew D at 18:19:28 on July 10, 2010
I guess FK thinks IT should be the only profession without any form of accountability or standards. There's usually a reason people think that way, much the same as there are fly-by-nighters in every other industry who think the same. What a winner.
Although I especially like how he thinks an organisation shouldn't be charitable simply because he doesn't like them. We've a real deep thinker on our hands here!
For the record, I'm one of thousands of members of said organisation. I don't know if they should be a charity or not (but lean towards yes knowing what they get up to) but would rather have that determined by the courts than some anonymous clown in the comments section of a rapidly diminishing computing publication, thank you very much.
Posted by Andrew D at 18:19:28 on July 10, 2010
NZCS - Old boys academic network
Andrew, this is a simple question of demand and supply. Who exactly needs a NZCS certification - this is an absolute bag of cr@p! IT professionals in the private sector have been living happily without any needs of having some obscure certifications and I'm sure it ain't going to change because some 'charitable' organisation decided we needed to have one now. And yes there are standards but they ain't driven by a bunch of academics and bureaucrats.
Posted by Anonymous at 13:03:56 on July 13, 2010
Posted by Anonymous at 13:03:56 on July 13, 2010
Re:Easy Fix
Sorry, that should have read "PROVIDED" (the New Zealand Politicians and Bureaucrats Society was ineffective).
ACC, GST, Kiwisaver, Adult Education, Charities - everything must look like fair game when the IRD is coming up short...
Posted by A Member at 16:47:10 on July 8, 2010
ACC, GST, Kiwisaver, Adult Education, Charities - everything must look like fair game when the IRD is coming up short...
Posted by A Member at 16:47:10 on July 8, 2010
Easy fix
Let's see "...purposes considered to be beneficial to the community... include the "marriage of poor maids". So NZCS just need to set up a dating site and/or a matrimonial services section then!
Seriously though, I guess the more evident focus on promoting education and professionalism in IT as opposed to looking like a bigger version of an early computer club is what has tipped the scales.
Pity though, because there isn't much that would benefit the NZ public more than a general rise in Kiwi IT competency - including for those of us working in IT.
Just imagine how many operations or learning centres could be funded by the money saved in avoiding a single blowout like the INCIS project (about $28M over for almost none of the intended outcome) - or how many decades another rescue helicopter could fly on that.
That said, there would likely need to be a similar rise in the standard of our politicians and bureaucrats to see that happen. Maybe an NZPBS would even qualify as a charity... proved it was ineffective.
Posted by A Member at 16:31:39 on July 8, 2010
Seriously though, I guess the more evident focus on promoting education and professionalism in IT as opposed to looking like a bigger version of an early computer club is what has tipped the scales.
Pity though, because there isn't much that would benefit the NZ public more than a general rise in Kiwi IT competency - including for those of us working in IT.
Just imagine how many operations or learning centres could be funded by the money saved in avoiding a single blowout like the INCIS project (about $28M over for almost none of the intended outcome) - or how many decades another rescue helicopter could fly on that.
That said, there would likely need to be a similar rise in the standard of our politicians and bureaucrats to see that happen. Maybe an NZPBS would even qualify as a charity... proved it was ineffective.
Posted by A Member at 16:31:39 on July 8, 2010
We care
As a computing teacher and having seen their massive contribution to sorting out the problems in our space in recent times, I'm astounded to hear they've lost their charitable status.
If they're not there to advance education then I don't know who is.
I hope this doesn't mean they'll stop their educational work. We certainly owe them and others a debt of gratitude and losing their impact would be to the detriment of New Zealand.
Posted by Anonymous at 14:11:20 on July 8, 2010
If they're not there to advance education then I don't know who is.
I hope this doesn't mean they'll stop their educational work. We certainly owe them and others a debt of gratitude and losing their impact would be to the detriment of New Zealand.
Posted by Anonymous at 14:11:20 on July 8, 2010
NZCS - who cares?
This is a society for a sake of society, so what does it matter?
Posted by Anonymous at 12:33:00 on July 8, 2010
Posted by Anonymous at 12:33:00 on July 8, 2010
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