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In the third day of a judicial review of the raid on Kim Dotcom's property, a police electronics expert says concerns over a possible digital "doomsday button" influenced tactics
By Sim Ahmed | Auckland | Thursday, 9 August, 2012 | 13 Comments
In the third day of a judicial review of the legality of the search of Kim Dotcom's Coatesville mansion earlier this year, Auckland High Court has heard evidence from a member of the Police's Electronic Crime Laboratory (ECL) on Dotcom's ability to destroy digital evidence on his property.
This is crucial to determining the legality of the raid on Dotcom's house, as the Police earlier testified that Dotcom's ability to tamper with potentially incriminating data in part led to the use of helicopters, the Special Tactics Group and Armed Offenders Squad.
Allan Langille, supervising analyst at ECL, confirmed for the court that while preparing for the January raid (with which he was involved in for a month before Dotcom's arrest) concerns were raised that Dotcom would be able to remotely wipe data on his property.
"All my career when we attend scenes with digital evidence, considerations are given to damage to data," says Langille.
"It's as simple as someone destroying an electronic device, this happens quite often in drug searches where phones are destroyed."
Langille told the court that investigators were particularly worried that Dotcom would have software running that would destroy evidence and then proceed to warn others over the internet , which Justice Helen Winkelmann described yesterday as a "doomsday button".
Winkelmann ruled in June that the copying and transportation of Dotcom's data overseas by the US was illegal. Langille was asked if it was common practice not to recover the data at the ECL in New Zealand.
"Would you say this was not like the ordinary, where you would be involved in the triage of the data. That your responsibilities ended with securing the data for the FBI," asked Dotcom's lawyer Paul Davison QC.
To which Langille replied: "Yes, that would be a fair assessment."
Langille told the court his team was given very limited information on the raid, and the data they were expected to collect. A briefing which took place on 18 January, involving two FBI agents, was the first time he was told about the property they were going to target.
Langille also said at the briefing it was made clear that the operation was top secret. Once he was aware of Megaupload and Kim Dotcom, he said he and his staff were told not to go on megaupload.com because "they didn't want a trail of police on there."
Asked if it would not have been possible to merely cut off Dotcom's access to the internet instead of raiding his property in the manner that it was, Langille said that was an oversimplification.
"We would need to identify the different ISPs, provide those companies with sufficient details, and they would have to shut off everything that was required to be shut off," says Langille
Davison challenged this statement.
"I realise it's not just a throwing of the switch, but certainly it wouldn't be beyond the ability to those with the skills to do so?" asked Davison.
Langille went on to agree with this assertion.
Further evidence is being heard today, including technical information on CCTV footage and its recovery.
See Computerworld's coverage of the first two days of the hearing:
Crown seeks supression of Dotcom raid video footage and Dotcom cries foul over Megaupload raid.
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remember the policeman on TV saying the FBI had nothing to do with the riad, LOL. We need to back up our police, they need to be our friends, we can't have them being used as a contract death squad. Where are the same orders for facebook, youtube, flickr, all have copyright material and a much bigger percentage. This is truly sad.
Posted by j at 3:22:17 on August 11, 2012
Posted by j at 3:22:17 on August 11, 2012
Difficult?
Exactly how hard is it to identify an ISP?
Posted by Anonymous at 17:25:20 on August 10, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 17:25:20 on August 10, 2012
A Killswitch
I'm sure there are plenty of ways some sort of kill switch could be implemented. Of course more realistically his data could have been encrypted in some way - even in ways he could make it irretrievable with the "flick of a switch"
But even if we assume he DID have some system like that (he didn't) it's hard to imagine how a full on assault involved helicopters, shouting and guns would have made it any less likely that he'd be able to destroy evidence. If anything a low key visit by a detective to the door would be less likely to cause alarm and trigger data destruction surely?
Posted by Dylan at 15:02:18 on August 10, 2012
But even if we assume he DID have some system like that (he didn't) it's hard to imagine how a full on assault involved helicopters, shouting and guns would have made it any less likely that he'd be able to destroy evidence. If anything a low key visit by a detective to the door would be less likely to cause alarm and trigger data destruction surely?
Posted by Dylan at 15:02:18 on August 10, 2012
Police State - I thought we lived in a Democracy
Regardless of what Dotcom may or may not have done in the US, he has not been accused of any crimes against NZ law. For the government to suck up to the US and then instruct the judiciary to determine a previous judge's findings that the raid was illegal as being wrong, is very frightening. The only difference between democracy and a dictatorship is that under democracy the governing party is NOT ALLOWED to influence the judiciary. Once this happens we have taken a very dangerous step towards a Police State. God help any of us if the US wanted to extradite us, without Dotcoms finances and public stature we would simply disappear. Very scarey. This is not the NZ I want.
Posted by Richard at 12:09:45 on August 10, 2012
Posted by Richard at 12:09:45 on August 10, 2012
Police State - I thought we lived in a Democracy
So based on your comments we should also stand back when people who have killed, raped, committed child abuse etc etc overseas, but have not broken any laws in New Zealand - lets welcome them with open arms and condemn police action against them? Just because this particular case only involves digital files that a few folk think is great to enable them to download illegal files, you stand up for a criminal? Be careful what you wish for
Posted by Anonymous at 11:56:26 on August 11, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 11:56:26 on August 11, 2012
Police State - I thought we lived in a Democracy
Couldn't agree more - this whole thing is a complete mindspinner. I just can't get my head around how something like this could happen in a demoractic country. Surely at some point heads will roll when everything comes out in the wash. All I can say is thank God for Judges who still stand up for the law (not bent politicians wanting to please Americans) and Cambell Live seems to be the only programme actually interested in keeping the focus on this so it does not get swept under the carpet. I never thought I would see the day when NZ Police run around in jeans and t-shirts carrying automatic weapons. Maybe we should stop worrying about the effects of violent computer games on our kids and look at how they effect the Police?
Posted by Anonymous at 14:07:27 on August 10, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 14:07:27 on August 10, 2012
Exactly - the police is out of control
We need to have a hard look at the police in NZ - clearly they've got out of control, or this is politically driven. In either case that is what they do in the US or Russia, but I would hope not here. Puts the Uruwera case into a whole different light too for me. Given their behaviour they clearly have been watching too many cheap US police films ...
Posted by Anonymous at 10:27:14 on August 10, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 10:27:14 on August 10, 2012
destroying data
One way to have destroyed the data would have been to bring in a large supermagnet. It'll wipe any stored memory instantly, but helicopters and SWAT teams could not have prevented that, so why bother?
It is ridiculous.
My opinion is the NZ police have acted illegally, and like any law breakers, they MUST be held personally and individually responsible for their acts, just as any human being is supposed to be, under international law.
Posted by dave at 14:13:59 on August 9, 2012
It is ridiculous.
My opinion is the NZ police have acted illegally, and like any law breakers, they MUST be held personally and individually responsible for their acts, just as any human being is supposed to be, under international law.
Posted by dave at 14:13:59 on August 9, 2012
destroying data
This is cops being cops, backing each other up, whether the act was legal or illegal you won't get a straight answer from them.
Who exactly are the criminals?
Posted by Anonymous at 17:34:19 on August 10, 2012
Who exactly are the criminals?
Posted by Anonymous at 17:34:19 on August 10, 2012
destroying data
People who download illegal files, people who make money from it. We should be backing our police not lobbying for this criminal. For Gods sake get your brains into gear and think things through.
Posted by Anonymous at 11:58:56 on August 11, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 11:58:56 on August 11, 2012





