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Stanners suggests at Summit that govt increases UFB investment
By Sarah Putt | Auckland | Tuesday, 29 June, 2010 | 16 Comments
Taxpayers should foot the bill for the government’s Ultra Fast Broadband network, according to Vodafone CEO Russell Stanners.
Speaking at the Telecommunications and ICT Summit in Auckland, Stanners suggested that the government should increase its investment from $1.5 billion to $5 billion in the UFB. He compared the proposed fibre network to the roading network and pointed out that while $30 billion of public money (for example user road charges, fuel taxes, rates) will be spent on the roading network in the next ten years, only $1.5 billion of taxpayer money will be spent on the Ultra Fast Broadband network.
“Maybe we should do it properly and fully drive it out and look to get us (taxpayers) to pay for it,” he told the audience.
Stanners says the government’s proposed network will transform the delivery of telecommunications in this country, and he says the industry is on the cusp of the biggest change in its history. “Sometimes I wonder if it’s a partnership or if it’s a forced march — is it going to the promised land or is it going to go somewhere else?” he asked.
He used the analogy of a “perfect storm” created by changing customer expectations, the creation of new devices that were changing consumer behaviour and changing business models.
Stanners says Vodafone is interested in investing in the government’s network. Previously he has signalled Vodafone would partner with Axia NetMedia in its national bid to partner with the government. Axia’s plan rivals Telecom’s bid and the proposals submitted by lines companies and independent fibre providers.
But today Stanners endorsed Telecom as a key partner with the government in the network. “If we were to try to do a fibre network that excluded Telecom my money would be that we won’t get there.”
However the network is built, Stanners says Vodafone would be likely to retail services “as long as we can get a $30 to $40 a month wholesale price”. He says customers are not prepared to pay more for faster speeds.
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STANNERS STANDS TO GAIN... CONSUMERS PAY TWICE
I might think that stanners has abused his position in attempting to sway the public with his grandiose comment.
The govt sold off the infrastructure and god knows what contract they put in place but telecom simply miled the infrastructure till it nearly fell apart - remeber when a digger went through the cable while the other back up was down for maintenance and we had no internet for about 6 hours?
So one has to ask, if the taxpayers pay for the fibre, and the govt is not providing the services, and the likes of vodafone are, at a large profit, are the people being hit in the pocket twice.
SHOULD THOSE WHO STAND TO PROFIT BE PUTTING UP THE CASH, WHICH THEY EARN BACK OVER TIME FROM CONSUMER USE?
Note: This comment has been moderated.
Posted by SOAPBYTE at 18:47:28 on July 3, 2010
The govt sold off the infrastructure and god knows what contract they put in place but telecom simply miled the infrastructure till it nearly fell apart - remeber when a digger went through the cable while the other back up was down for maintenance and we had no internet for about 6 hours?
So one has to ask, if the taxpayers pay for the fibre, and the govt is not providing the services, and the likes of vodafone are, at a large profit, are the people being hit in the pocket twice.
SHOULD THOSE WHO STAND TO PROFIT BE PUTTING UP THE CASH, WHICH THEY EARN BACK OVER TIME FROM CONSUMER USE?
Note: This comment has been moderated.
Posted by SOAPBYTE at 18:47:28 on July 3, 2010
A bit of reverse psychology me thinks
If I was cynical I would say our Mr Stanners is talking up a storm about increased contribution from taxpayers to put off voters. How far would UFB get without general public support? We've seen this government back down on a couple of contentious topics already.
Posted by Anonymous at 15:49:52 on July 2, 2010
Posted by Anonymous at 15:49:52 on July 2, 2010
$800 million
Perhaps Mr Stanners could consider investing some of the $800+ Million that Vodafone annually sends offshore into NZ infrastructure?
Posted by Anonymous at 10:32:14 on July 2, 2010
Posted by Anonymous at 10:32:14 on July 2, 2010
Telcos currently funding UFB
Interesting that he didn't mention that the $1.5B funding for the UFB is not coming from a generous Govt, they have been taxing the telco industry (big and small) for the last few years to raise the sum. It will be interesting to see how far it will stretch and whether the govt will stump up for more $?
Posted by Anonymous at 16:27:31 on June 30, 2010
Posted by Anonymous at 16:27:31 on June 30, 2010
Collaborative
Stanners has an interesting point. Perhaps we could divert some funding from roads, to broadband and working from home...making the existing roads last longer. People working at home save time, money and impact on the environment. NZ employers have a really low uptake of telecommuting compared to other countries.
I'd like to hear what Govt / telcos are doing about 4G etc. There is a lack of strategy on mobile broadband, even though its proven as one of the biggest factors in improving productivity.
New devices such as smartphones and iPads are overloading mobile broadband capacity in US / Europe. With our small population and rugged terrain, telcos need to work smarter with communities.
Participants at the Digital Summit 2007 encouraged telcos to cooperate on the physical infrastructure, rather than duplicating fibre and cell sites in the community.
http://www.digitalstrategy.govt.nz/Resources/Digital-Future-Summit/Digital-Future-Summit-Programme/
Posted by MikePearsonNZ at 16:09:54 on June 30, 2010
I'd like to hear what Govt / telcos are doing about 4G etc. There is a lack of strategy on mobile broadband, even though its proven as one of the biggest factors in improving productivity.
New devices such as smartphones and iPads are overloading mobile broadband capacity in US / Europe. With our small population and rugged terrain, telcos need to work smarter with communities.
Participants at the Digital Summit 2007 encouraged telcos to cooperate on the physical infrastructure, rather than duplicating fibre and cell sites in the community.
http://www.digitalstrategy.govt.nz/Resources/Digital-Future-Summit/Digital-Future-Summit-Programme/
Posted by MikePearsonNZ at 16:09:54 on June 30, 2010
Collaborative
I agree that we should divert a potion of funding from Roads to UFB. While you have to build new roads and improve capacity on critical routes, we should also be investing in technology to maximise the utilisation of the road network asset.
Posted by Rumi at 18:28:17 on June 30, 2010
Posted by Rumi at 18:28:17 on June 30, 2010
Collaborative
"iPads are overloading mobile broadband capacity in US / Europe."
yes but really what does a consumer device has to do with "improving productivity" - i assume you mean business?
Posted by Anonymous at 16:56:10 on June 30, 2010
yes but really what does a consumer device has to do with "improving productivity" - i assume you mean business?
Posted by Anonymous at 16:56:10 on June 30, 2010
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Yes, Apple makes devices for consumers (Apple CTO said as recently as last year, that business is a fraction of the market compared to consumers).
However, many of the businesses in NZ are termed "small and medium enterprises", they typically use consumer devices. Our work/life balance is also blurred: if you're on the sideline at your son's soccer game and answer a work email on your iPhone, is it a consumer or business device?
Consumer devices with wireless connectivity and portability increase productivity. Think of the impact that the mobile phone had on business productivity. The iPhone and iPad have similar characteristics.
There is little productivity gain from replacing one device for another (unless that new device will be used twice as much, as iPhone user surveys seem to suggest).
The biggest gain in productivity comes from giving devices to people who did not have them before. My plumber has never had a laptop. He has an iPhone, and his firm is now talking about putting an iPad in every van - that's amazing!
From http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=ai~content=a755260047:
It is found that a computer with only processing and storage capabilities boosts labor productivity by 9% (corresponding to 5% output elasticity), portability by 32%, wireline connectivity by 14%, and wireless connectivity by 6%.
Posted by MikePearsonNZ at 15:59:51 on July 3, 2010
However, many of the businesses in NZ are termed "small and medium enterprises", they typically use consumer devices. Our work/life balance is also blurred: if you're on the sideline at your son's soccer game and answer a work email on your iPhone, is it a consumer or business device?
Consumer devices with wireless connectivity and portability increase productivity. Think of the impact that the mobile phone had on business productivity. The iPhone and iPad have similar characteristics.
There is little productivity gain from replacing one device for another (unless that new device will be used twice as much, as iPhone user surveys seem to suggest).
The biggest gain in productivity comes from giving devices to people who did not have them before. My plumber has never had a laptop. He has an iPhone, and his firm is now talking about putting an iPad in every van - that's amazing!
From http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=ai~content=a755260047:
It is found that a computer with only processing and storage capabilities boosts labor productivity by 9% (corresponding to 5% output elasticity), portability by 32%, wireline connectivity by 14%, and wireless connectivity by 6%.
Posted by MikePearsonNZ at 15:59:51 on July 3, 2010
Do we need faster broadband?
Does the average consumer really need faster broadband - with the exception of legimate Ondemand TV services what do you really need a 20 or 40GB cap for ? Yes I know they are talking speed not capacity but again 8-24MB for web surfing/video conferencing/streaming is sufficent
When Copyright P2P law comes in for NZ I reckon the broadband usage will drop the floor
Posted by Anonymous at 14:34:45 on June 30, 2010
When Copyright P2P law comes in for NZ I reckon the broadband usage will drop the floor
Posted by Anonymous at 14:34:45 on June 30, 2010
Do we need faster broadband?
Short answer: YES.
We currently consume 20Gb per month on a 10Mbs TelstraClear cable connection. For a family of 4, we have 4 computers, 4 handhelds and 1 entertainment device; plus 2 TV decoders. ALL traffic is legitimate ie no P2P or pirating. We buy digital music, digital videos, digital magazines, digital books. The magazines and books are going to go up when the iPad arrives. Streaming TV, TVNZOnDemand, has not been popular with the family, because its too grainy. The kids watch YouTube a lot. We probably spend about $250 per month on ICT connection/traffic charges (TelstraClear/Vodafone).
More bandwidth/traffic for the same price (or less) would be appreciated. I'll be interested to see what pricing TelstraClear does when they upgrade their cable network by a magnitude (100Mbs).
Posted by MikePearsonNZ at 16:10:26 on July 3, 2010
We currently consume 20Gb per month on a 10Mbs TelstraClear cable connection. For a family of 4, we have 4 computers, 4 handhelds and 1 entertainment device; plus 2 TV decoders. ALL traffic is legitimate ie no P2P or pirating. We buy digital music, digital videos, digital magazines, digital books. The magazines and books are going to go up when the iPad arrives. Streaming TV, TVNZOnDemand, has not been popular with the family, because its too grainy. The kids watch YouTube a lot. We probably spend about $250 per month on ICT connection/traffic charges (TelstraClear/Vodafone).
More bandwidth/traffic for the same price (or less) would be appreciated. I'll be interested to see what pricing TelstraClear does when they upgrade their cable network by a magnitude (100Mbs).
Posted by MikePearsonNZ at 16:10:26 on July 3, 2010
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