Teachers union critical of new payroll system
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The new teachers’ national payroll system is under fire from the Post Primary Teachers Association (PPTA)
By Randal Jackson | Wellington | Monday, 24 September, 2012 | 16 Comments
The new teachers’ national payroll system is under fire from the Post Primary Teachers Association (PPTA).
“We are concerned that the Novopay system has been unable to meet most of its service targets,” says PPTA president Robin Duff.
“We are relieved that most of our members have been paid correctly but those who haven’t been seem to be in an absolute limbo and are being greatly disadvantaged.
“We are also concerned about the massive increase in workload for principals and support staff and want to know what the timeline is for fixing this, because everyone’s patience is running out. We hope that the second pay cycle will be better.”
Duff says there have been more than 3000 non-process transactions (changes that have occurred between pays, such as sick leave and extra units) that have not been addressed.
"The 3000 transactions that were handed over from Datacom to Novopay for processing have still not been completed. This means that there are many education workers that have money owed to them from before 20 August. This is, of course, a major concern to PPTA and something that is occupying quite a bit of staff time in trying to get our members outstanding pay that they are still owed."
Datacom’s bespoke payroll system has been replaced by Novopay, built by Talent 2. A decision to delay the go-live date for Novopay was made twice during the project.
“Each time, the reason was the challenge and complexity of customising the schools’ payroll to an online service,” says Ministry of Education spokesman Matt Radley. “The schools’ payroll pays 100,000 people a year (it is New Zealand’s largest payroll) on many different terms and conditions. For example, there are 10,000 possible combinations of allowances.”
Novopay cost $29.4 million to develop and implement, with long-run costs of $12.5 million until 2018, he says. “The project is within budget.”
Allan Vester, chairman of the New Zealand Secondary Principals’ Council, says the issues tend to be around the fringes…“situations around leave calculations and relief teachers”.
“Some issues occurred in the process of [them] taking over when the found old mistakes such as leave accruing.”
He confirms that not all teachers got a password to access their pay slips.
“It’s created a hell of a lot of work for staff doing the payroll in some schools.”
Duff says a further problem with the system is that it prevents PPTA officials such as field officers having direct access to Novopay. “This makes it extremely difficult to even follow up on claims. “We are meeting regularly with the ministry and Novopay to ensure these problems are addressed before it results in a massive filing of personal grievances, which is obviously a path we would prefer not to go down.”
Education sources say one of the most frustrating things is that the ministry and Novopay have been insisting throughout that there would be no problems.
“Their training for those busy people in schools who had to manage this was relatively late and obviously not comprehensive,” one says. “The constant denial that there would be problems is doubly frustrating because everyone knew that with a change of this magnitude, involving as it does a shift in technology, a shift between companies, and 2400 users (schools) with 90,000 (sic) end users, could not be flawless.
“A bit of honesty up front about that, and an overt plan for dealing with inevitable problems that included the users would have been much more effective, and they would be getting far less flak right now.”
One of the issues raised has been concern about the change to the rounding system, that has reduced some pays slightly. The concern is that the Ministry or Novopay is pocketing the 0.5 cents difference, a source says.
“Others are concerned simply with the principle that their pay has been reduced without authority.
“In response to the question about teachers finding their pay was 1 or 2 cents less, a Novopay representative reported that the change to Swedish rounding, rather than a simple rounding up, is the culprit. (Swedish rounding is used to calculate a value to the nearest cent.)
Because secondary teachers have 12 steps on the salary scale – each paying a different rate – and various other allowances and payments, this can produce a range of different payments in any pay period.
“If a teacher is underpaid because of the rounding, how will the difference be made up?” the source asks.
Computerworld has been copied in on a letter one principal has written to Education Minister Hekia Parata.
The principal raises 17 issues, including the fact that all the school’s relief teachers were double paid. “To date they have not been notified by Novopay of how to repay this money.
“To date, approximately 80 hours have been spent trying to sort the payroll issues – and we are only a relatively small school. To have my staff waste so much of their time to sort payroll issues which were not of their making . . . to have them being harangued by other staff who are not being paid correctly, are being docked pay, and cannot open their pay slips, is an intolerable situation.”
Comments
Novapay
My wife is a regular employee and has not been paid at all for over 8 weeks since Novapay started despite at least 13 5 hour phone calls by the school pay clerk to Novapay. Disgusting.
Posted by Anonymous at 10:06:38 on October 23, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 10:06:38 on October 23, 2012
novopay
I am a relieving teacher. I have not had one correct salary advice since novoay took over the payroll system. As long as they continue to not list the actual days a reliever has worked and been paid for it will continue to be impossible to figure out what, if anything, has been paid. I am losing my patience with having to contact schools every fortnight re non payment of salary owed and feel very sorry for the stressed out staff who have to constantly try to sort this mess out
Posted by Anonymous at 23:58:35 on October 17, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 23:58:35 on October 17, 2012
Relief teacher
I have not had a correct pay yet and have spent hours trying to work out what days I have been paid for and what I haven't. Payslips need to itemise the days. One day's work is equivalent to 5 hours (apparently) so how does that equate to half a day for example? On the new payslips it doesn't appear to equate to anything! I have worked for nothing. Arrears when paid were overtaxed at the highest pay rate, our pay roll person at school has said he can't say we will ever get that money back. I have been taxed a week's worth of student loan for 1 day's work. Still $350 down-wonder if I will get it this week?
Posted by Anonymous at 22:22:42 on October 15, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 22:22:42 on October 15, 2012
Novopay = no pay
As a regular reliever, I am used to waiting a number of weeks until my pay comes through. Thanks to a change over to a new pay provider "Novopay",I am still waiting for six weeks pay from August.If my husband wasn't supporting me, my position would be dire. With everything else we have had to cope with in Chch, this is totally unacceptable.
Posted by Gillan at 11:06:03 on October 9, 2012
Posted by Gillan at 11:06:03 on October 9, 2012
3 paycycles later and still waiting!!!
I am acting as principal for 5 weeks this term and as yet haven't been paid my higher salary despite endless phone calls and emails to Novopay. This week they paid me 12 days at the old rate. Stopped the old rate. Started it again and paid me 2 days at the old rate again. Nett result = exactly what I always got.No higher duties allowance!! This is not as bad as others who have yet to be paid but it has caused my admin staff and me headaches and wasted man hours!!!
Posted by Anonymous at 18:49:39 on October 2, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 18:49:39 on October 2, 2012
A lot of inconsistencies here
How much did this actually cost?
"Novopay cost $29.4 million to develop and implement, with long-run costs of $12.5 million until 2018, he says. "The project is within budget.""
But in this article: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/ministry-of-education-seeks-payroll-director-for-novopay-project?Opendocument&HighLight=2,Novopay
"The $62.7 million project is on the Government's watch-list of high-risk projects."
How on earth did this piece of critical software get released when it was clearly in an unfit state. Who is accountable? Who is responsible?
Smells like FAIL to me.
Posted by Interesting at 16:14:42 on September 25, 2012
"Novopay cost $29.4 million to develop and implement, with long-run costs of $12.5 million until 2018, he says. "The project is within budget.""
But in this article: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/ministry-of-education-seeks-payroll-director-for-novopay-project?Opendocument&HighLight=2,Novopay
"The $62.7 million project is on the Government's watch-list of high-risk projects."
How on earth did this piece of critical software get released when it was clearly in an unfit state. Who is accountable? Who is responsible?
Smells like FAIL to me.
Posted by Interesting at 16:14:42 on September 25, 2012
Time Waster
I have two staff members who haven't been paid for four weeks! This is a crazy new system that is a complete time waster. I spent an hour on the phone on hold, with a second hour being passed around departments. I thought I was getting paid to lead teaching and learning and not being a pay clerk. I would estimate having spent an additional 20-30 hours on Novopay since it started 4 weeks ago!
What is disgusting of course is not the hours that I have spent on this but the fact that teachers are not getting paid. It is causing a huge amount of stress for these hardworking teachers!
Posted by Anonymous at 20:21:57 on September 24, 2012
What is disgusting of course is not the hours that I have spent on this but the fact that teachers are not getting paid. It is causing a huge amount of stress for these hardworking teachers!
Posted by Anonymous at 20:21:57 on September 24, 2012
Important information regarding this payrun
Interesting Email from 3 September 2012
Hello Everyone
My name is Leanne Gibson and I am the Senior Manager at the Ministry responsible for implementing Novopay.
I know that many of you are concerned about this week's pay run and want assurance from me that all staff in schools including relievers will be paid. I can confirm that as of tonight in excess of 91,000 employees are scheduled for payment on Wednesday. Please be aware that payslips will be emailed and/or posted on Tuesday (not Sunday). Also, please remember that there is always a small number of employees that may not be paid due to the normal events associated with the pay-cycle. It is therefore important, that if you have any queries/concerns about your final SUE report that we work together to address these with the normal mechanisms we have available (such as STOP pays, advances and out of cycle payments). I will shortly be providing a separate email that focuses on the specific topic of handling under/over payments.
I received numerous complaints about the draft SUE report provided on Thursday. I can confirm that the Novopay team has spent the weekend remedying those errors. The only remaining issues with the SUE report are as follows:
In the Units Paid column:
Mileage:
# travel does not show as kilometres but as either H (hours) or D (days) but the mileage entered is shown correctly
# we realise that in some instances schools were advised incorrectly to enter a dollar amount to be paid rather than the kilometres travelled.
o We apologise for this incorrect information. Please check that your employee has been paid the correct amount.
o If they have been paid incorrectly you can submit a NOVO31 form with the supporting documentation.
Day Relief:
# H (hours) are showing as D (days)
# Please be assured that the amount paid calculates correctly and is shown in the far right column
# you are not required to do anything, this will be remedied in future releases
I also know that many of you have not been impressed with your introduction to Novopay and the extra time, effort and stress that it has caused for you. The Novopay team needs to increase the help/support we can provide you in getting pay instructions entered. I can confirm that the improvements we have implemented for the next pay cycle include:
- Electronic receipt of forms
- Electronic receipt of emails
- Production of a daily transaction report (starting next week)
- Best practise tips for sending electronic payroll instructions
On behalf of myself and the Novopay team, we'd like to thank you for your hard work and patience and for working with us on fine-tuning the difficulties that have been encountered with the system. We are truly committed to doing the right thing for you and your staff.
Regards
Leanne
Posted by Anonymous at 12:21:34 on September 24, 2012
Hello Everyone
My name is Leanne Gibson and I am the Senior Manager at the Ministry responsible for implementing Novopay.
I know that many of you are concerned about this week's pay run and want assurance from me that all staff in schools including relievers will be paid. I can confirm that as of tonight in excess of 91,000 employees are scheduled for payment on Wednesday. Please be aware that payslips will be emailed and/or posted on Tuesday (not Sunday). Also, please remember that there is always a small number of employees that may not be paid due to the normal events associated with the pay-cycle. It is therefore important, that if you have any queries/concerns about your final SUE report that we work together to address these with the normal mechanisms we have available (such as STOP pays, advances and out of cycle payments). I will shortly be providing a separate email that focuses on the specific topic of handling under/over payments.
I received numerous complaints about the draft SUE report provided on Thursday. I can confirm that the Novopay team has spent the weekend remedying those errors. The only remaining issues with the SUE report are as follows:
In the Units Paid column:
Mileage:
# travel does not show as kilometres but as either H (hours) or D (days) but the mileage entered is shown correctly
# we realise that in some instances schools were advised incorrectly to enter a dollar amount to be paid rather than the kilometres travelled.
o We apologise for this incorrect information. Please check that your employee has been paid the correct amount.
o If they have been paid incorrectly you can submit a NOVO31 form with the supporting documentation.
Day Relief:
# H (hours) are showing as D (days)
# Please be assured that the amount paid calculates correctly and is shown in the far right column
# you are not required to do anything, this will be remedied in future releases
I also know that many of you have not been impressed with your introduction to Novopay and the extra time, effort and stress that it has caused for you. The Novopay team needs to increase the help/support we can provide you in getting pay instructions entered. I can confirm that the improvements we have implemented for the next pay cycle include:
- Electronic receipt of forms
- Electronic receipt of emails
- Production of a daily transaction report (starting next week)
- Best practise tips for sending electronic payroll instructions
On behalf of myself and the Novopay team, we'd like to thank you for your hard work and patience and for working with us on fine-tuning the difficulties that have been encountered with the system. We are truly committed to doing the right thing for you and your staff.
Regards
Leanne
Posted by Anonymous at 12:21:34 on September 24, 2012
Important information regarding this payrun
sounds like a start up too big for its boots
Posted by govt employee at 12:23:31 on September 26, 2012
Posted by govt employee at 12:23:31 on September 26, 2012
Important information regarding this payrun
youd be better off NOT replying or suggesting that its all fixed .
numbers dont count here , peoples lives do .
No pay for 4 weeks ..
No support systems
no volume management capacity .
My wifes a teacher & she has the same view ..very very messy but she is getting paid .
Its old school the IT dept making the users do what they want .Its not an "enabler or a tool" .
Anony-Mouse !
Posted by govt employeee at 12:06:13 on September 26, 2012
numbers dont count here , peoples lives do .
No pay for 4 weeks ..
No support systems
no volume management capacity .
My wifes a teacher & she has the same view ..very very messy but she is getting paid .
Its old school the IT dept making the users do what they want .Its not an "enabler or a tool" .
Anony-Mouse !
Posted by govt employeee at 12:06:13 on September 26, 2012
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