TUANZ fails to gain grant from InternetNZ
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Chairman and CEO quash rumours that organisation considering winding up
By Stephen Bell | Wellington | Tuesday, 14 February, 2012 | 13 Comments
An unsuccessful application from the Telecommunications Users’ Association (TUANZ) to InternetNZ for a five-figure financial grant may have contributed to the resurrection of a periodic rumour that TUANZ is in serious financial trouble and considering winding up.
TUANZ chairman Pat O’Connell and CEO Paul Brislen both firmly quash that rumour.
Reports of an impending TUANZ wind-up have been circulating periodically for at least the past two years, says O’Connell, but they definitely have no foundation. A meeting last week where the winding up was said to be about to be considered is “just our regular board meeting” he said two days before.
Following the meeting O'Connell told Computerworld "It was a pretty regular board meeting; we just worked on the things we normally do."
Brislen says application was made for a grant of $75,000 from InternetNZ funds, to help finance a specific project – a research unit that would supply answers to public and media inquiries: “things like, ‘how many mobile phones are in use in New Zealand?’” It was turned down, as far as he is aware, primarily because it was thought to smack too much of a commercial activity. InternetNZ’s grants scheme does not fund such endeavours. He also understood the scheme might compete with something similar that InternetNZ is considering, he says.
The relevant item in the council meeting minutes for December 9, however, cites twice that sum. It reads: “That the grants request from TUANZ for $150,000 funding to establish research capability within TUANZ be declined.”
Asked about the difference, InternetNZ president Frank March says, by email from Bangkok: “The Council minute may be interpreted to suggest that the actual request was couched as a range of options.
“I am not in a position to provide further details about the application,” he says. “InternetNZ conducts its own business as transparently as possible, however, we do need to respect the confidence of others.”
Following rejection of its application, TUANZ intends to fund the research unit from its own resources, Brislen says. He regards the issue as dead, but O’Connell said he would not rule out a renewed application.
Asked about the often suggested expedient of TUANZ and InternetNZ or another ICT lobby organisation combining forces to save money, Brislen says a TUANZ-INZ merger was ruled out “before my time”. Mergers with other industry organisations have also been floated in the past, he says; “but we've all got a slightly different mandate and membership base and we've all got a reason for existing.”
Comments
Media soapbox'ing vs. industry engagement
Sorry Paul, but in the last 2 years TUANZ seems to have morphed into a rent-a-quote for journo's who want some juicy comments for their articles beating up one telco or another as opposed to creating discussion within the industry and acting as the consumres advocate in those forums.
Posted by Anonymous at 9:54:28 on February 16, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 9:54:28 on February 16, 2012
Media soapbox'ing vs. industry engagement
Sorry you feel that way. As I've said you're more than welcome to ring or to email me and we can discuss this and any other issues you may have.
cheers
Paul
021488188
paul@tuanz.org.nz
Posted by Paul Brislen at 14:20:13 on February 16, 2012
cheers
Paul
021488188
paul@tuanz.org.nz
Posted by Paul Brislen at 14:20:13 on February 16, 2012
Membership
I am an INZ councilor and Catalyst is a TUANZ member. Because of the former position I am unable to comment on the grant application.
However, we, Catalyst IT, won't be canceling our TUANZ membership for the foreseeable future, TUANZ plays an important role in the telecoms space and Paul Brislen has provided excellent and erudite leadership.
Posted by DonChristie at 9:49:56 on February 15, 2012
However, we, Catalyst IT, won't be canceling our TUANZ membership for the foreseeable future, TUANZ plays an important role in the telecoms space and Paul Brislen has provided excellent and erudite leadership.
Posted by DonChristie at 9:49:56 on February 15, 2012
It's dead
As a member, we will not be renewing next year. With no events and the organisation not having the public profile it once had, it's time to pull the plug.
That's not to say we're against industry associations, as TCF and NZICT are doing good positive work.
Posted by Anonymous at 21:32:23 on February 14, 2012
That's not to say we're against industry associations, as TCF and NZICT are doing good positive work.
Posted by Anonymous at 21:32:23 on February 14, 2012
It's dead
I'm sorry you feel that way and as I've said I'm more than happy to discuss these and any other issues with you. My number and email address are below.
TUANZ has always strived to be the independent voice of the customer, to represent the needs of the user of telecommunications either with the telcos or the government or the public officials. Whether we do this through events, through discussion documents or in sessions with the various bodies we deal with, or indeed even with various media I hope we do so with a passion for the sector and for users that no other organisation has.
My media clippings file shows we were heavily engaged with media last year and we received media enquiries almost every day for a large part of the year. This year I hope to be as noisy if not more so.
Through the select committee hearings around the new Telco Act, the ten year regulatory holiday, the break-up of Telecom, the awarding of the RBI and UFB contracts, the discussions around international connectivity, TUANZ has been a loud and proud voice for our members and that's not going to change any time soon.
Cheers
Paul
021 488 188
paul@tuanz.org.nz
Posted by Paul Brislen at 10:37:04 on February 15, 2012
TUANZ has always strived to be the independent voice of the customer, to represent the needs of the user of telecommunications either with the telcos or the government or the public officials. Whether we do this through events, through discussion documents or in sessions with the various bodies we deal with, or indeed even with various media I hope we do so with a passion for the sector and for users that no other organisation has.
My media clippings file shows we were heavily engaged with media last year and we received media enquiries almost every day for a large part of the year. This year I hope to be as noisy if not more so.
Through the select committee hearings around the new Telco Act, the ten year regulatory holiday, the break-up of Telecom, the awarding of the RBI and UFB contracts, the discussions around international connectivity, TUANZ has been a loud and proud voice for our members and that's not going to change any time soon.
Cheers
Paul
021 488 188
paul@tuanz.org.nz
Posted by Paul Brislen at 10:37:04 on February 15, 2012
TUANZ
Hi all, if any TUANZ member (or indeed anyone) wants to ask about the future and what we're up to they're more than welcome to call or email. I'm happy to share our plans for the future.
Cheers
Paul
021 488 188
paul@tuanz.org.nz
Posted by Paul Brislen at 16:06:42 on February 14, 2012
Cheers
Paul
021 488 188
paul@tuanz.org.nz
Posted by Paul Brislen at 16:06:42 on February 14, 2012
Is Tuanz still in business?
Yes, we should be concerned about the prospect of reversion to an anti-competitive market. But I worry that Tuanz is already dead. There dont seem to have been any events for months or more, and nothing of substance on their web site either. Isnt it time the President told the paying members what is going on?
Posted by Tuanz Member at 14:52:49 on February 14, 2012
Posted by Tuanz Member at 14:52:49 on February 14, 2012
TUANZ past it's sell by date
You have to ask yourself if there is any point to TUANZ now we have a competitive telecomms market.
Posted by Anonymous at 9:21:42 on February 14, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 9:21:42 on February 14, 2012
TUANZ past it's sell by date
Gee! I wonder how that market will stay competitive without the users voice being independently heard? We're going into the greatest changes seen in a generation and we are meant to trust the Government and the 'industry' to get it right? There are still many issues that require the user perspective
Posted by Anonymous at 12:14:30 on February 14, 2012
Posted by Anonymous at 12:14:30 on February 14, 2012
TUANZ past it's sell by date
And you expect TUANZ to assist us in "getting it right" ?
Those days are long gone now, they're shadow of their former self. Yes, NZ needs an independent body and Tuanz ain't it any more.
Posted by DAVE LANE at 10:34:47 on February 15, 2012
Those days are long gone now, they're shadow of their former self. Yes, NZ needs an independent body and Tuanz ain't it any more.
Posted by DAVE LANE at 10:34:47 on February 15, 2012
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